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эксперименты

Отправлено: Head 13:11 13/05/20

> вот именно потому, что в ломбардии не > знали вообще ничего о том, что происходит, > этот эксперимент и нельзя считать чистым, > ни в коей мере. чистый эксперимент -
это > когда мы фиксируем все параметры, влияющие > на результат, кроме одного, а этот один > меняем управляемо и смотрим, что происходит.

именно такой эксперимент там и был. Там все было как обычно, business as usual, и изменен только один существенный параметр - появился короновирус.
Я понимаю, что ты предпочел бы иной сорт эксперимента - "Ломбардия без мер противодействия" и "Ломбардия с мерами". В чистом виде это нереально в принципе, но все же подобие такого
эксперимента существует. В центре и на юге Италии ввели очень жесткий карантин (самый жесткий в Европе) когда ситуация в Ломбардии стала катастрофической, и зараза стала
распространяться и в прочих регионах. Результат - в целом в центре и на юге уровень смертности вообще не вышел за пределы небольших колебаний, а в отдельных городах, где все же
сложились очаги, рост смертности не превысил 1,3-1,5.
Вот, по крайней мере это позволяет сравнить последствия в пределах одной и той же страны при отсутствии и наличии мер противодействия. Многократный рост в Ломбардии и отсутствие
роста на юге.
При этом экономика рушится в обоих случаях. Она вообще довольно круто рушится во всех случаях, когда страну посещает корона, тут ничего не попишешь. Способы обрушения могут быть
разными (через меры правительства или через коллапс здравоохранения), но итог по сути один. Разве что масштабы могут варьироваться в зависимости от искусности-топорности действий
властей.


> ничего подобного в ломбардии > не было даже близко. потому, повторю, это вполне могло быть выбросом.

Таких выбросов не существует в природе. Или приведи хотя бы один пример в истории современных обществ.



> и сравнение > россии с белорусией или той же швецией > куда чище. хотя, конечно, и тут вопросы > могут быть.

они не просто "могут быть", их миллион, потому что это совершенно разные страны по миллиону параметров - менталитету и плотности населения, разумности властей, ВВП, развитости
экономик и уйме параметров этого развития, состоянии здравоохранения и т.п. Где же тут желаемые тобой "мы фиксируем все параметры, влияющие на результат, кроме одного, а этот один
меняем управляемо"??


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     • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - Фыва Цукен 11:41 27/03/20
          • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - Naure 12:07 27/03/20
               • Без пересадок - Dionysos 12:46 27/03/20
               • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - Фыва Цукен 13:19 27/03/20
                    • интересно, они с Нижегородской на МЦК сделали хоть удобную пересадку? - Naure 14:28 27/03/20
                         • вот это не знаю (-) - Фыва Цукен 14:29 27/03/20
                              • завтра посмотрю (-) - DF 16:29 27/03/20
                         • Сделали - Dionysos 20:57 27/03/20
                              • то есть на жд с мцк опять не попасть( - Naure 01:23 28/03/20
                                   • Можно попасть, причём намного лучше, чем раньше! - Dionysos 03:16 28/03/20
          • Остановка - Dionysos 12:47 27/03/20
               • Re: Остановка - Фыва Цукен 13:21 27/03/20
                    • Да, в обе (-) - Dionysos 20:54 27/03/20
          • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 12:51 27/03/20
               • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - Фыва Цукен 13:22 27/03/20
     • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - serg33 22:40 27/03/20
          • А что им было делать?) - Dionysos 22:58 27/03/20
               • Да я всё понимаю. Но тем не менее...(-) - serg33 20:54 28/03/20
     • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 13:16 29/03/20
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               • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 13:18 29/03/20
                    • «Соединение Колец» - Dionysos 13:33 29/03/20
          • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - Фыва Цукен 13:30 29/03/20
               • Потому что комфортнее? - Dionysos 13:33 29/03/20
                    • комфортнее, несомненно - Фыва Цукен 15:05 29/03/20
               • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 14:34 29/03/20
                    • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 14:36 29/03/20
                         • Но всё же - Dionysos 14:56 29/03/20
                              • Re: Но всё же - DF 15:24 29/03/20
                                   • Тут дело ещё в том - Dionysos 15:27 29/03/20
                         • да и ради бога - Фыва Цукен 15:10 29/03/20
                              • Re: да и ради бога - DF 15:25 29/03/20
                                   • Re: да и ради бога - DF 15:26 29/03/20
                                   • Re: да и ради бога - Фыва Цукен 16:36 29/03/20
                    • так это же хорошо - Фыва Цукен 15:07 29/03/20
                    • Но вообще~то… - Dionysos 15:24 29/03/20
                         • Re: Но вообще~то… - DF 15:28 29/03/20
                              • Про продление в центр не спорю (( (-) - Dionysos 15:29 29/03/20
                              • Re: Плюс центральный участок КСЛ (+) - DF 15:50 29/03/20
                                   • Как бы сейчас - Dionysos 16:44 29/03/20
                              • Решение ещё есть - Dmitriy.Fox 02:44 30/03/20
                                   • С учётом удобной кросс-платформы на Нижегородской... - Dionysos 03:16 30/03/20
                                   • Хорды - New-Express 12:27 31/03/20
                                        • Re: Хорды - Head 15:13 31/03/20
                                             • Re: Хорды - Dionysos 17:11 31/03/20
                                                  • ИМХО гигантское количество людей ездит с юга на юго-запад - Митян 17:29 31/03/20
                                                       • Там-то да. - Dionysos 17:44 31/03/20
                                                            • Re: Там-то да. - Head 19:55 31/03/20
                                                                 • Уфф - Dionysos 20:42 31/03/20
                                                                      • Ни при чём. Блин. Сорри (-) - Dionysos 20:45 31/03/20
                                                                      • Re: Уфф - Head 20:58 31/03/20
                                                                           • Блииин. Ну ё - Dionysos 21:21 31/03/20
                                                                                • Re: Блииин. Ну ё - Head 21:38 31/03/20
                                                                                     • Re: Блииин. Ну ё - Dionysos 22:13 31/03/20
                                                                                          • Re: Блииин. Ну ё - Head 23:08 31/03/20
                                                                                               • Re: Блииин. Ну ё - Dionysos 02:56 01/04/20
                                                                                                    • Re: Блииин. Ну ё - Head 05:19 01/04/20
                                                                                                         • Продолжим ё )) - Dionysos 21:42 01/04/20
                                                                                                              • Re: Продолжим ё )) - Head 00:24 01/05/20
                                                                                                                   • Re: Продолжим ё )) - Dionysos 17:54 02/04/20
                                                                                                                        • Re: Продолжим ё )) - Head 18:25 02/04/20
                                                                                                                             • ё ) - Dionysos 18:41 02/04/20
                                                                                                                                  • йо - Head 18:46 02/04/20
                                                                                                                                       • йо-йо - Dionysos 18:58 02/04/20
                                                                                                                                            • Re: йо-йо - Head 19:39 02/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • не йо ) - Dionysos 20:06 02/04/20
                                                                                                                                                      • йо-йо-йо - Head 20:32 02/04/20
                                                                                                                                                           • Ой, всё ) - Dionysos 21:50 02/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Ой, всё ) - Head 22:16 02/04/20
                                                                           • Re: Уфф - New-Express 21:43 31/03/20
                                                                                • Re: Уфф - Head 21:47 31/03/20
                                                                                     • Какая хорда еще не доделана?? - Dionysos 21:48 31/03/20
                                                                                          • Re: Какая хорда еще не доделана?? - Head 21:59 31/03/20
                                                                                               • Не понял. - Dionysos 22:14 31/03/20
                                                                                                    • Re: Не понял. - Head 22:19 31/03/20
                                                                                                         • Потому что - Dionysos 22:26 31/03/20
                                                                                                              • безобразие (-) - Head 22:29 31/03/20
                                                                                                                   • Так всё-таки зачем кольцо? - Dmitriy.Fox 01:54 03/04/20
                                                                                                                        • Это осень старый спор. - Dionysos 05:09 03/04/20
                                                                                                                             • Re: Это осень старый спор. - New-Express 12:58 03/04/20
                                                                                                                                  • Согласен, очень огрублённо написал. Позже дополню (-) - Dionysos 16:33 03/04/20
                                                                                                                                  • Re: Это очень старый спор. - Dionysos 01:55 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                       • Re: Это очень старый спор. - New-Express 14:37 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                            • Re: Это очень старый спор. - Dionysos 18:25 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • Re: Это очень старый спор. - New-Express 19:52 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Это очень старый спор. - Dionysos 21:39 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                                           • Re: Это очень старый спор. - New-Express 10:49 05/04/20
                                                                                                                             • Re: Это осень старый спор. - Dmitriy.Fox 01:12 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                  • Re: Это очень старый спор. - Dionysos 01:44 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                       • Re: Это очень старый спор. - Dmitriy.Fox 14:29 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                            • Re: Это очень старый спор. - New-Express 14:48 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • Разумеется, - Dionysos 15:26 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                            • Re: Это очень старый спор. - Dionysos 20:30 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • Волоколамская - Head 23:11 04/04/20
                                                                                                                                                      • Да. Пересаживаются в обе стороны - Dionysos 01:00 05/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • Согласен полностью (-) - New-Express 10:47 05/04/20
                                                  • Re: Хорды - Head 19:50 31/03/20
                                                       • Хе. - Dionysos 20:56 31/03/20
                                                            • Re: Хе. - Head 21:09 31/03/20
                                                                 • Re: Хе. - Dionysos 21:32 31/03/20
     • Мои публикации о новом участке Некрасовской линии Московского метрополитена - bsd 00:00 31/03/20
     • Фото в тему - serg33 20:50 31/03/20
     • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 12:54 03/04/20
          • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - New-Express 13:04 03/04/20
               • Кстати, да: кто сейчас ездит по ТКЛ, сообщите, плз – - Dionysos 14:50 03/04/20
                    • Re: Кстати, да: кто сейчас ездит по ТКЛ, сообщите, плз – - DF 14:54 03/04/20
                         • ;( (-) - Dionysos 15:31 03/04/20
               • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 14:56 03/04/20
                    • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - New-Express 17:29 03/04/20
                         • Re: Сокольники (+) - Dionysos 22:03 03/04/20
     • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 14:21 07/04/20
          • Ничего себе - Dionysos 17:54 07/04/20
          • А вот такой вопрос (+) - Dionysos 17:56 07/04/20
               • Re: А вот такой вопрос (+) - DF 18:33 07/04/20
          • Re: Открыты 6 новых станций Некрасовской линии в Москве (+) - DF 00:00 07/05/20
               • Re: 10 человек на вагон - Dionysos 00:16 07/05/20
                    • Re: 10 человек на вагон - Head 03:49 08/04/20
                         • Re: 10 человек на вагон - DF 10:09 08/04/20
                              • Re: 10 человек на вагон - Head 14:46 08/04/20
                                   • На колу мочало ))) (-) - Dionysos 16:27 08/04/20
                                        • Re: На колу мочало - Dionysos 21:37 09/04/20
                                             • вот, это правильно :) (-) - Фыва Цукен 21:41 09/04/20
                                             • Re: На колу мочало - DF 21:44 09/04/20
                                                  • дело вкуса (-) - Фыва Цукен 21:48 09/04/20
                                                  • Кому-то, возможно, интересно (-) - Dionysos 21:52 09/04/20
                                                  • ага - Head 21:58 09/04/20
                                             • инфокарантин - Head 22:10 09/04/20
                                                  • Офигеть ))) - Dionysos 22:16 09/04/20
                                                       • Re: Офигеть ))) - Head 22:24 09/04/20
                                                            • Не понимаю этого. Ну дело хозяйское (-) - Dionysos 22:25 09/04/20
                                             • Re: На колу мочало - Кирилл 01:47 10/04/20
                                   • Длинная цитата с МЖА - Dionysos 16:58 08/04/20
                                   • Re: 10 человек на вагон - DF 11:52 09/04/20
                                   • Re: 10 человек на вагон - Фыва Цукен 16:19 09/04/20
                                        • Ура, таки мочало! :))) (-) - Dionysos 16:56 09/04/20
                                        • Re: 10 человек - Head 18:21 09/04/20
                                             • Re: 10 человек - Фыва Цукен 18:38 09/04/20
                                                  • Re: 10 человек - Head 19:52 09/04/20
                                                       • Re: 10 человек - Фыва Цукен 20:21 09/04/20
                                                            • Re: 10 человек - Head 20:32 09/04/20
                                                                 • Re: планету вверх дном - Dionysos 20:37 09/04/20
                                                                      • Re: планету - Head 21:11 09/04/20
                                                                           • Re: планету - Dionysos 21:14 09/04/20
                                                                                • Re: планету - Head 21:21 09/04/20
                                                                                     • По причине принятых мер. (-) - Dionysos 21:31 09/04/20
                                                                                          • а почему их приняли? )) (-) - Head 21:47 09/04/20
                                                                                               • Потому что - Dionysos 21:56 09/04/20
                                                                                                    • Re: Потому что - Head 22:00 09/04/20
                                                                                                         • Наводит, конечно. - Dionysos 22:12 09/04/20
                                                                                                              • вывод неверный ) - Head 22:15 09/04/20
                                                                                                                   • Подкорректирую вывод ) - Dionysos 22:24 09/04/20
                                                                                                                        • Re:вывод ) - Head 22:30 09/04/20
                                                                                                                             • Какой же вывод очевиден сейчас? - Dionysos 22:49 09/04/20
                                                                                                                                  • вывод - Head 23:33 09/04/20
                                                                                                                                       • Re: вывод , мда. - Dionysos 00:15 09/05/20
                                                                                                                                            • Re: вывод , мда. - Head 02:03 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • Re: вывод , мда. - Dionysos 02:48 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                      • Re: мда. - Head 07:24 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                           • Re: Экономики не будет все равно - Dionysos 18:35 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                • И массированной помощи, кстати - Dionysos 18:37 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                     • Тут безответно? (-) - Dionysos 02:09 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                          • а чего - Head 04:35 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                               • Ну да - Dionysos 04:39 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Ну да - Head 04:43 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                         • И что нам с того, легче будет? Нет. - Dionysos 04:17 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: И что нам с того, легче будет? Нет. - Head 09:33 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: И что нам с того, легче будет? Нет. - Dionysos 14:34 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Экономики не будет - Head 20:07 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                     • Ну это больше лирика - Dionysos 21:52 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: Ну это больше лирика - Head 22:33 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                               • Да ну ещё ) - Dionysos 22:38 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                               • Да ну ещё ) - Dionysos 22:38 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                    • ты не написал - Head 22:48 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                         • По-моему, привёл, но считай, как хочешь ) (-) - Dionysos 04:18 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                          • Вот тут же написал соображения (+) - Dionysos 02:14 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                               • Слетел значок ≠ там, сорри (-) - Dionysos 02:15 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                               • это не соображения - Head 04:36 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: это не соображения - Dionysos 04:41 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: это не соображения - Head 04:47 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: это не соображения - Фыва Цукен 10:11 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: это не соображения - Head 13:02 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: это не соображения - Фыва Цукен 13:06 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • соображения - Head 14:40 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: соображения - Фыва Цукен 16:00 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • логика - Head 21:20 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: логика - Фыва Цукен 21:41 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: логика - Head 21:56 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: логика - Фыва Цукен 23:13 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: логика - Head 23:54 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: логика - Фыва Цукен 00:06 11/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: логика - Head 01:31 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: логика - Фыва Цукен 01:52 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: логика - Head 02:15 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: логика - Фыва Цукен 02:26 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: логика - Head 02:47 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: логика - Фыва Цукен 03:08 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: логика - Head 03:19 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: логика - Фыва Цукен 03:40 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Браво :))) - Dionysos 05:02 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: действительно так считает - Dionysos 04:59 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • последствия - Head 09:10 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: последствия - Dionysos 14:42 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: последствия - Head 17:24 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: последствия - Dionysos 17:26 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: последствия - Head 18:27 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: логика в транспортных проектах - Dionysos 04:51 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: логика - Head 09:01 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: логика - Dionysos 14:47 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: логика - Head 17:28 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: логика - Dionysos 17:30 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: логика - Head 18:25 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Взаимно. :))) - Dionysos 04:47 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • о некотором коллапсе в Москве - Head 00:47 13/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: о некотором коллапсе в Москве - А. Копцев 12:34 13/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: о некотором коллапсе в Москве - Head 12:43 13/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: Экономики не будет - Head 22:11 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: Экономики не будет - Dionysos 04:39 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: Экономики не будет - Head 08:54 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Экономики не будет - Dionysos 15:02 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • И еще одна хрень - Dionysos 02:53 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                      • Re: И еще одна хрень - Head 06:16 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                           • С чего бы? - Dionysos 18:39 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                • Re: С чего бы? - Head 20:19 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: С чего бы? - Dionysos 21:58 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: С чего бы? - Head 22:46 10/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                               • Это всё так, но... - Dionysos 02:07 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Это всё так, но... - Head 04:31 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: Это всё так, но... - Dionysos 04:38 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: Это всё так, но... - Head 04:46 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: Это всё так, но... - Dionysos 04:23 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: Это всё так, но... - Head 09:19 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: Это всё так, но - Dionysos 15:16 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: Это всё так, но - Head 18:00 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: Это всё так, но - Dionysos 17:45 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • опечатка для Валерия Тихонова - Head 18:37 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: опечатка для Валерия Тихонова - Dionysos 02:15 18/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: опечатка для Валерия Тихонова - Head 02:35 18/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: в заключение почитать - Dionysos 02:12 23/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: в заключение почитать - Head 11:55 23/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: в заключение почитать - Фыва Цукен 12:10 23/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: в заключение почитать - Head 14:08 23/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: в заключение почитать - Фыва Цукен 14:40 23/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: в заключение - Dionysos 18:39 23/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: в заключение - Фыва Цукен 19:37 23/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: в заключение - Head 19:56 23/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: в заключение ли?) - Dionysos 02:24 24/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • уауау - Head 02:55 24/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: чё?) - Dionysos 03:24 24/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: чё?) - Head 09:20 24/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: через плечо ) - Dionysos 02:27 27/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: плечо ) - Head 10:24 27/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: горячо ) - Dionysos 13:15 27/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Швеция - Dionysos 13:33 27/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: Швеция - Head 15:17 27/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: Швеция - Dionysos 21:23 29/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: Швеция - Head 00:29 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Так вот и славно. - Dionysos 01:05 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • поглядим (-) - Head 10:07 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Ля. Ля - Head 14:52 27/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: Ля. Ля - Dionysos 22:47 29/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: Ля. Ля - Фыва Цукен 23:25 29/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: Ля. Ля - Head 00:58 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: статистика - Dionysos 01:15 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: статистика - Head 10:13 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • хотя - Head 10:17 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • А, ну да. - Dionysos 21:48 01/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Ля. Ля - Фыва Цукен 02:00 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: Ля. Ля - Head 10:21 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Ля. Ля - Фыва Цукен 10:49 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: Ля. Ля - Head 10:57 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • чем богаты, тем и рады :))) (-) - Фыва Цукен 11:14 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: таки шо - Dionysos 01:55 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: Ля. Ля - Head 00:50 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Ой, Ля - Dionysos 01:51 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • гляляля - Head 10:56 30/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • фицияльно - Head 18:11 02/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Бггггг:))) фицияльно - Dionysos 23:25 02/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • уюююю - Head 02:27 03/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Про часы просто прекрасный аргумент, вау )) (-) - Dionysos 02:35 03/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • часы - Head 04:17 03/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • аргументы - Dionysos 17:17 03/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • факты - Head 21:16 03/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: факты - Dionysos 17:02 04/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: факты - Head 17:13 04/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: гляляля - Dionysos 21:19 04/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: гляляля - Head 00:02 04/06/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: гляляля - Dionysos 02:05 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: гляляля - Head 03:42 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: гляляля - Dionysos 13:15 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: гляляля - Head 15:46 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: глядя сдачи ) - Dionysos 03:23 06/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: гля - Head 03:40 06/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Ссылочка - Dionysos 02:39 09/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • йыфйхъ - Head 03:41 09/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Ссыл очка 2. Швеция,) - Dionysos 02:41 09/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Швеция - Head 03:44 09/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • глядя не с дачи опять ) - Dionysos 00:37 09/06/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: глядя не с дачи опять ) - Head 04:25 10/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: глядя не с дачи опять ) - Dionysos 01:20 11/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: опять - Head 02:55 11/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Двадцать пять! - Dionysos 21:08 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: 25 - Head 23:32 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: 26 - Dionysos 18:41 20/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: 26 - Head 22:13 20/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: 27 - Dionysos 01:50 21/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • 28 - Head 04:18 21/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Уж лето нас тупило )) - Dionysos 18:07 01/06/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: Уж лето нас тупило )) - Head 23:01 01/06/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: 27 - Иностранец 16:19 21/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: 27 - Head 19:38 21/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: гляляля - Фыва Цукен 02:12 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: гляляля - Head 03:23 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: гляляля - Фыва Цукен 11:54 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: гляляля - Head 15:08 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: гляляля - Фыва Цукен 16:20 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: гляляля - Head 16:40 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: гляляля - Фыва Цукен 16:44 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: гляляля - Head 17:20 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: гляляля - Фыва Цукен 17:35 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: гляляля - Head 18:12 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: гляляля - Фыва Цукен 19:39 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • отрасль экономики - Фыва Цукен 19:43 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: гля - Head 21:21 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: гля - Фыва Цукен 23:19 05/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: гля - Head 00:57 05/06/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: гля - Фыва Цукен 01:58 06/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: гляляля - Фыва Цукен 19:14 12/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: гляляля - Head 22:05 12/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • а я не об этом - Фыва Цукен 22:26 12/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • об этом - Head 23:11 12/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • отвечу без цитаты - Фыва Цукен 00:27 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: цитаты - Head 00:36 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: цитаты - Фыва Цукен 00:42 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: цитаты - Head 00:47 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: цитаты - Фыва Цукен 01:14 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: цитаты - Head 02:21 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: цитаты - Фыва Цукен 10:16 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • эксперименты - Head 14:11 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 14:44 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: эксперименты - Head 14:54 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 15:06 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: эксперименты - Head 15:12 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 15:32 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: эксперименты - Head 15:52 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 16:46 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: эксперименты - Head 17:03 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 19:21 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: эксперименты - Head 20:39 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 20:56 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: эксперименты - Head 21:54 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 22:20 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: эксперименты - Head 22:23 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 22:50 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: эксперименты - Head 23:10 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 00:46 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: эксперименты - Head 02:33 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 10:38 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: эксперименты - Head 11:55 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 12:37 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: эксперименты - Head 14:20 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 15:38 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: эксперименты - Head 19:56 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 21:35 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: эксперименты - Head 21:46 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 22:05 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: эксперименты - Head 00:39 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 10:15 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: эксперименты - Head 11:23 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 12:17 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: эксперименты - Head 13:45 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 14:06 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: эксперименты - Head 15:05 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 16:46 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: эксперименты - Head 20:54 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 21:37 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: эксперименты - Head 22:27 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 00:48 16/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: эксперименты - Head 02:46 16/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: эксперименты - Фыва Цукен 10:42 16/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: эксперименты - Иностранец 15:35 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: эксперименты - Head 20:00 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • и кстати - Фыва Цукен 21:39 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: и кстати - Head 22:02 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: и кстати - Фыва Цукен 22:10 14/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: и кстати - Head 00:44 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: и кстати - Фыва Цукен 10:21 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: и кстати - Head 11:29 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: и кстати - Фыва Цукен 12:22 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: и кстати - Head 13:47 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: и кстати - Фыва Цукен 14:11 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: и кстати - Head 15:06 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: и кстати - Фыва Цукен 16:48 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: и кстати - Head 20:53 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: и кстати - Фыва Цукен 21:40 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: и кстати - Head 22:24 15/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: и кстати - Фыва Цукен 00:52 16/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: и кстати - Head 02:33 16/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: и кстати - Фыва Цукен 10:46 16/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Кстати, в Эстонии... - Иностранец 08:58 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • ну да, всё начинает потихоньку открываться - Фыва Цукен 10:22 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • ростовская область - Head 13:51 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: ростовская область - Фыва Цукен 14:55 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: ростовская область - Head 15:07 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: ростовская область - Фыва Цукен 15:34 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: ростовская область - Head 15:47 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: ростовская область - Фыва Цукен 15:50 13/05/20
                                                                                                                                                                               • Посмотрел, кстати, - Dionysos 02:21 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: Посмотрел, кстати, - Head 04:42 11/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                                         • Это всего лишь наши мнения. - Dionysos 04:14 12/04/20
                                                                 • Re: 10 человек - Фыва Цукен 20:48 09/04/20
                                                                      • Re: 10 человек - Head 21:02 09/04/20
                                                                           • Re: цена ошибки космическая - Dionysos 21:16 09/04/20
                                                                                • Re: цена ошибки - Head 21:22 09/04/20
                                                                           • Re: 10 человек - Фыва Цукен 21:21 09/04/20
                                                                                • Re: 10 человек - Head 21:27 09/04/20
                                                                                     • Теперь уже требует - Dionysos 21:30 09/04/20
                                                                                          • не требует - Head 21:48 09/04/20
                                                                                               • Да? Ну и хорошо. То есть плохо (-) - Dionysos 21:59 09/04/20
                                                                                                    • что такое хорошо - Head 22:02 09/04/20
                                                                                                         • В общем-то - Dionysos 22:04 09/04/20
                                                                                                              • Лучше про статистику ниже ответь )) - Dionysos 22:06 09/04/20
                                                                                                                   • ща гляну - Head 22:08 09/04/20
                                                                                     • ну, скажем, так: - Фыва Цукен 21:36 09/04/20
                                                                                          • Re: ну, скажем, так: - Head 21:55 09/04/20
                                                                                               • Хмм. Что за наезды пошли? - Dionysos 22:01 09/04/20
                                                                                                    • это не наезд - Head 22:06 09/04/20
                                                                                                         • Ну, ты явно вышел за пределы этого - Dionysos 22:19 09/04/20
                                                                                                              • Re: за пределы - Head 22:26 09/04/20
                                                                                                                   • Ну ты про работу говорил? Я так понял (-) - Dionysos 22:28 09/04/20
                                                                                                                        • работа - Head 22:32 09/04/20
                                                                                                                             • Да? Ну хорошо © :)) А я нет ) (-) - Dionysos 22:51 09/04/20
                                                                                               • Re: ну, скажем, так: - Фыва Цукен 22:27 09/04/20
                                             • Re: опыт других стран - Dionysos 20:48 09/04/20
                                                  • Re: опыт других стран - Head 21:10 09/04/20
                                                       • Re: опыт других стран - Dionysos 21:28 09/04/20
                                                            • Re: опыт других стран - Head 22:21 09/04/20
                                                                 • Re: опыт других стран - Dionysos 22:43 09/04/20
                                                                      • Re: опыт других стран - Head 00:11 09/05/20
                                                                           • Re: опыт других стран - Dionysos 00:28 09/05/20
                                                                                • Re: опыт других стран - Head 01:35 10/04/20
                                                                                     • Re: опыт других стран - Dionysos 02:29 10/04/20
                                                                                          • Re: опыт - Head 07:19 10/04/20
                                                                                               • Re: опыт - Dionysos 18:51 10/04/20
                                                                                                    • Re: опыт - Head 19:42 10/04/20
                                                                                                         • Re: опыт - Dionysos 22:11 10/04/20
                                                                                                              • Re: опыт - Head 22:59 10/04/20
                                                                                                                   • Re: опыт - Dionysos 02:36 11/04/20
                                                                                                                        • Re: опыт - Head 04:59 11/04/20
                                                                                                                             • Re: опыт - Dionysos 04:35 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                  • аллергия - Head 09:31 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                       • Re: аллергия - Head 13:12 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                            • Re: аллергия - Dionysos 15:22 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • Re: аллергия - Head 17:16 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                      • Re: аллергия - Dionysos 17:48 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                           • Re: аллергия - Head 17:56 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                       • Тест и аллергия - Dionysos 15:29 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                            • Re: Тест - Head 17:20 12/04/20
                                                                                                                                                 • Re: Тест - Dionysos 18:04 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                      • Re: Тест - Head 18:22 17/04/20
                                                                                                                                                           • Кондиционер - Dionysos 02:01 18/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                • Re: Кондиционер - Head 02:42 18/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: Кондиционер - Dionysos 02:55 18/04/20
                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: Кондиционер - Head 03:39 18/04/20


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