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Re: Видимо, придется много раз, судя по вашему посту +

Отправлено: Head 08:29 02/12/08

> > тем не менее такие поезда есть - 5/6 например. > Я ведь так и написал выше - если есть в 1-2 поездах, то без У еще 10-20. 5-10 процентов от общего количества поездов? или меньше?

не знаю. Существуют ситуации, когда выбора поезда нет.



> > > Существующее - нарушает закон. > Ок, давайте так. Я вас услышал, больше можно не повторять. Но все-таки попробуйте аргументировать свою позицию не общими фразами, а нормальным юридическим языком со ссылками на документы. Иначе это исключительно ваше мнение, которое не обязательно соответствует действительность


Алексей правильно обратился к статье 16 ЗЗПП, только взял оттуда не тот пункт. Гораздо правильнее обратить внимание на пункт 2:

"Статья 16. Недействительность условий договора, ущемляющих права потребителя
1. Условия договора, ущемляющие права потребителя по сравнению с правилами, установленными законами или иными правовыми актами Российской Федерации в области защиты прав потребителей, признаются недействительными.
Если в результате исполнения договора, ущемляющего права потребителя, у него возникли убытки, они подлежат возмещению изготовителем (исполнителем, продавцом) в полном объеме.
2. Запрещается обусловливать приобретение одних товаров (работ, услуг) обязательным приобретением иных товаров (работ, услуг). Убытки, причиненные потребителю вследствие нарушения его права на свободный выбор товаров (работ, услуг), возмещаются продавцом (исполнителем) в полном объеме."

И не надо говорить, что мол КУ это "единый продукт". Ни черта не единый, пока У не являются частью покилометрового тарифа, а добавляются отдельно.



> > > Я говорю о законном варианте - вы получите У, которые вам нужны, а кому они не нужны,платить за них не будут, в каком бы купе они ни ехали. Кстати и вы сможете в этом случае приобрести У в любом купе, а не в ограниченном числе вагонов. > Ну что обсуждать гипотетическое? Обратитесь с этим в РЖД - вот введут, тогда и обсудим. Иначе это из серии "есть ли жизнь на Марсе?".

Вы не в ЦК КПСС работали? ))) как это - "введут, тогда и обсудим" )))) а если вас кто-нить захочет расстрелять - это тоже следует обсудить уже после самого "мероприятия"? )))) или желательно все же до него? )))



> > не надо по десять раз повторять одно и то же )ваша мысль услышана, > Гуд! Мне так не показалось, а иначе чего всё ходит по кругу? :) > > > только с ней кажется никто, кроме РЖД, не согласен ) > Не могу вам ничего сказать. Не говорю за всех, а никакой форум, тем более по конкретной тематике, не бывает репрезентативным. И еще - хотя это действительно, как вы говорите, common как-там-дальше? :)) - обратите и здесь внимание: 10 человек купили один и тот же холодильник, у одного он сломался, и он об этом пишет, трезвонит по сети. А 9 других молчат, потому что нет повода кричать о само собой разумеющемся, и складывается впечатление о ненадежности данного хол-ка. Так и по этому вопросу, и это абсолютно нормально. Только не особо объективно.

пример неверен. Пока что, как видим, "холодильник работает" у вас одного. У всех остальных он "сломался". Видимо в нем все же что-то не так )


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                                                                                               • Пончик! Ну сколько можно об одном и том же! - Алексей 23:08 30/11/08
                                                                                                    • Видимо, придется много раз, судя по вашему посту + - Пончик 23:30 30/11/08
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                                                                                                                                                 • Re: Видимо, придется много раз, судя по вашему посту + - Head 08:29 02/12/08
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                                                                                                                                            • У самолета есть принципиальная разница - Валерий Тихонов 17:23 01/12/08
                                                                                                                                                 • Re: У самолета есть принципиальная разница - Фыва Цукен 17:42 01/12/08
                                                                                                                                                      • Re: У самолета есть принципиальная разница - megapups 18:49 01/12/08
                                                                                                                                                      • Ну не совсем - Валерий Тихонов 20:04 01/12/08
                                                                                                                                                           • Re: Ну не совсем - DF 21:52 01/12/08
                                                                                                                                            • еще раз ) - Head 20:09 01/12/08
                                                                                               • Re: Постель опять дорожает - Пончик 23:25 30/11/08
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                                                                      • Re: кормление в самолётах имеет несколько иной смысл - nik 20:11 30/11/08
                                                                           • да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 13:14 01/12/08
                                                                                • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 14:20 01/12/08
                                                                                     • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 15:06 01/12/08
                                                                                          • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 20:03 01/12/08
                                                                                               • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 13:03 02/12/08
                                                                                                    • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 15:15 02/12/08
                                                                                                         • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 16:11 02/12/08
                                                                                                              • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 17:36 02/12/08
                                                                                                                   • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 17:46 02/12/08
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                                                                                                                             • становитесь :))) (-) - Фыва Цукен 19:18 02/12/08
                                                                                                                                  • Главное - чтобы еще при жизни! :) - Пончик 20:16 02/12/08
                                                                                                                                       • шансы есть :))) - Фыва Цукен 21:11 02/12/08
                                                                                                                        • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 22:43 02/12/08
                                                                                                                             • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 23:16 02/12/08
                                                                                                                                  • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 06:01 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                       • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 09:46 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                            • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 12:12 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                 • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 12:20 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                      • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 13:02 03/12/08
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                                                                                                                                                                • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 13:14 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 13:19 03/12/08
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • хм - Фыва Цукен 14:58 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: хм - Head 15:11 03/12/08
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 15:13 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 15:16 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 15:25 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 15:33 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 15:42 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 15:45 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 15:48 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 16:02 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 16:05 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 16:18 03/12/08
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • ну слава богу - Head 16:25 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: ну слава богу - Пончик 16:29 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: ну слава богу - Пончик 16:32 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: ну слава богу - Head 16:42 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Пиквикского клуба, скорее, достойны другие дебаты - Валерий Тихонов 16:33 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • :-)) - Пончик 16:35 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 15:44 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 15:52 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 16:04 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 16:20 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 16:52 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 20:20 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 12:39 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 19:34 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 23:05 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 23:28 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 23:58 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 00:44 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 01:12 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 01:42 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 07:21 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • С этим вы, конечно, знакомы? + - Пончик 02:08 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         • да, читал когда-то - Head 07:31 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: да, читал когда-то - Пончик 23:02 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: да, читал когда-то - Head 23:15 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: да, читал когда-то - Пончик 00:08 06/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: да, читал когда-то - Head 01:00 06/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Валерий Тихонов 16:20 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 16:27 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • ничего подобного - Head 16:30 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: ничего подобного - Пончик 16:34 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: ничего подобного - Head 16:39 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Re: ничего подобного - Пончик 16:41 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Вот именно (+) - Алексей 20:47 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                           • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 13:12 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 13:50 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                     • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 14:59 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                          • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 15:10 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 15:17 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 15:28 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Фыва Цукен 15:55 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                              • скажем так - Head 16:14 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: скажем так - Пончик 16:39 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: скажем так - Head 16:51 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: скажем так - Фыва Цукен 18:56 03/12/08
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • а разве ВР еще РЖД принадлежат? - Валерий Тихонов 12:22 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • понятия не имею - Head 13:53 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               • Re: скажем так - Пончик 19:31 04/12/08
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: скажем так - Пончик 01:39 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Re: скажем так - Head 07:19 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 • Re: скажем так - Пончик 23:04 05/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: скажем так - Пончик 20:13 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: скажем так - Head 20:31 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: скажем так - Алексей 20:57 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: скажем так - Пончик 21:02 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Re: скажем так - Алексей 21:06 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                       • Re: скажем так - Пончик 21:09 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: скажем так - Валерий Тихонов 22:44 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: скажем так - Head 23:19 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Непосредственно - Валерий Тихонов 12:24 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 00:10 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                   • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 00:18 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Пончик 01:13 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                                             • Re: да фиг с ним, со смыслом - Head 09:32 04/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Кстати, момент интересен (+) - Алексей 21:04 03/12/08
                                                                                                                                                                                         • Re: Кстати, момент интересен (+) - Пончик 21:12 03/12/08
                                                  • Re: Постель опять дорожает - megapups 13:12 30/11/08
                                                       • Re: Постель опять дорожает - Head 17:05 30/11/08
                    • "фирменная постель" ) - Head 00:36 29/11/08
                         • У "фирменной постели" требования к качеству существенно выше и лимит числа стирок гораздо ниже чем у нефирменной (-) - canalizator 00:41 29/11/08
                              • гыыыы (-) - Head 00:44 29/11/08
                                   • гы или не гы, а дома у Вас тоже есть выбор (+) - canalizator 00:50 29/11/08
                                        • надо же - Head 01:39 29/11/08
                                             • А она есть :). Просто ДОПы редко злоупотребляют высоким пределом числа стирок нефирменного белья (-) - canalizator 01:47 29/11/08
                                                  • пассажиру начихать на пределы стирок белья ) - Head 02:21 29/11/08
                                                       • полуторный тариф (+) - canalizator 02:34 29/11/08
                                                            • Re: полуторный тариф (+) - Head 02:49 29/11/08
                                        • Re: гы или не гы, а дома у Вас тоже есть выбор (+) - webavtor 11:37 29/11/08
                                        • Re: красота какая! - Лапшов Игорь 13:58 29/11/08
                    • а откуда сия инфа вообще? (-) - Head 18:42 29/11/08
                         • Re: а откуда сия инфа вообще? (-) - Михаил 09:33 30/11/08
                              • Re: а откуда сия инфа вообще? - Head 11:48 30/11/08
                                   • Re: а откуда сия инфа вообще? - Михаил 12:43 30/11/08
                                        • Re: а откуда сия инфа вообще? - webavtor 15:40 30/11/08
                                             • Re: ок. Прошу прошения (-) - Михаил 12:22 01/12/08
     • Re: Постель опять дорожает - serg33 12:12 28/11/08
          • Re: Постель опять дорожает - webavtor 12:54 28/11/08
     • Как бы вообще без ПДСов не остаться, тогда и пятисотые будут вам в радость по любой высокой цене (-) - ВЛ10-955 22:21 30/11/08


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